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Artifical dollars aren't even resulting in artificial demand any more.

 

llionaire hedge fund investor Jim Chanos is cited by Politico as arguing that China is another “trust me story” – like Enron.  The basic idea is that the facts, like gasoline consumption and electricity consumption, do not support the Chinese government’s “reports” of 8+% GDP growth.  Very similar to the American story, the “growth” being reported is a result of artificial demand from massive government spending.  However, unlike America, the government spending has been much more effective in stimulating production, but not private demand.  The reasoning proceeds that the glut of production will eventually result in even the government pulling in its horns to allow the glut to work off…a collapse in the making:

Chanos and the other bears point to several key pieces of evidence that China is heading for a crash.

First, they point to the enormous Chinese economic stimulus effort — with the government spending $900 billion to prop up a $4.3 trillion economy. “Yet China’s economy, for all the stimulus it has received in 11 months, is underperforming,” Gordon Chang, author of “The Coming Collapse of China,” wrote in Forbes at the end of October. “More important, it is unlikely that [third-quarter] expansion was anywhere near the claimed 8.9 percent.”

Chang argues that inconsistencies in Chinese official statistics — like the surging numbers for car sales but flat statistics for gasoline consumption — indicate that the Chinese are simply cooking their books. He speculates that Chinese state-run companies are buying fleets of cars and simply storing them in giant parking lots in order to generate apparent growth.

Another data point cited by the bears: overcapacity. For example, the Chinese already consume more cement than the rest of the world combined, at 1.4 billion tons per year. But they have dramatically ramped up their ability to produce even more in recent years, leading to an estimated spare capacity of about 340 million tons, which, according to a report prepared earlier this year by Pivot Capital Management, is more than the consumption in the U.S., India and Japan combined.

This, Chanos and others argue, is happening in sector after sector in the Chinese economy. And that means the Chinese are in danger of producing huge quantities of goods and products that they will be unable to sell.

The Pivot Capital report was extremely popular in Chanos’s office and concluded, “We believe the coming slowdown in China has the potential to be a similar watershed event for world markets as the reversal of the U.S. subprime and housing boom.”

And the bears also keep a close eye on anecdotal reports from the ground level in China, like a recent posting on a blog called The Peking Duck about shopping at Beijing’s “stunningly dysfunctional, catastrophic mall, called The Place.”

“I was shocked at what I saw,” the blogger wrote. “Fifty percent of the eateries in the basement were boarded up. The cheap food court, too, was gone, covered up with ugly blue boarding, making the basement especially grim and dreary. … There is simply too much stuff, too many stores and no buyers.”

Governments can print money indefinitely, but contrary to popular belief, in real terms, they can run out of ability to purchase real production.  Ultimately, government’s ability to “stand in” for private sector demand depends on government’s ability to force the private sector to give it the real resources it needs to purchase what the private sector will not voluntarily  purchase on its own.  Whether the government forces that transfer of real resources from private to public hands through taxation, monetary inflation or borrowing, the source for that transfer – the private sector well - is running dry and collapse of the artificial demand appears  imminent.

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Subject: Jim Chanos: China teetering toward collapse
And today we also hear ...
ANGIE
Posted on 11/11/2009 10:27:09 AM
 

 


 ... that China is going to stick to its current loose monetary policy. And … the US Government glibly says … the Yuan needs to appreciate.

Gee … seems like those two policies are at odds. More specifically, if China prints money … like it’s doing … then in its purest form China is devaluing it currency.

But wait so is Europe.

And … of course … so also the US Government.

We are all simultaneously devaluing our currencies. The net effect is what?  No problems solved. The can has been kicked down the road.

Sooner or later I'm going to get ticked off by all the horse manure that our Government is putting out.

I want somebody to start hearing my elected officials speak out against this kind of thing.  And ... I'm going to do everything in my power to either get them to listen or unelect them.

 

Great post JD
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Amen
PorkPie
Posted on 11/11/2009 04:10:12 PM
 
Amen. Unelect them.
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